Windsor Park Mall Layout

[MikeM3Allen]

[red84vette]

Mike, using SCCA's 50-foot guidelines I calculate a 610 x 190 track.  Distances between the light standards are 210, 145 and 145 from left to right.  The areas from the boundary to the light standards can't be used as part of the track.  This is a little smaller than the Alamodome, but lends itself to a very interesting layout -- there are six "quadrants" that can be used and transitioning is rather open, and cars two cars can be on course at the same time if one does a "c" or reverse "c" flow.

To increase particpation times, we could design courses that drivers lap twice, then exit; and that will still support two cars....

[MikeM3Allen]

Exactly my thoughts...well kinda.  If you figure in the safety margins for the Alamodome it isn't much bigger width-wise at 710' x 250' roughly.  I have no doubt that this would be very challenging to lay out and might actually be too close to safety margins.  Just letting everyone know what I was available.  
    Amazing how big something can look on paper (remember this is a family forum no rude comments or Madame Secretary may get involved) [:-bigeyes2]until you start figuring in margins.  I will have to check with Phil but I think our insurance only calls for a 25' safety buffeer from a fixed object, which believe or not doesn't count curbing as a fixed object.  Tell that to the first person trying to "grind" with their car on those Alamodome curbs. [:-censored]

[Phil Weber]

The requirements in the policy state: "PERMANENT, REAL, FIXED PROPERTY (buildings, trees, light stanchions, similar physical obstructions): May not be closer than 25 feet to the course in STRAIGHTS and/or inside of TURNS, not closer than 75 feet on the outside of the TURNS.

STRAIGHT = means a section of the course at least 50 feet in length in which the AUTOMOBILE does not substantially change direction.

TURN = is any section of the course which is not STRAIGHT.

[red84vette]

It's possible to set a margin of 25' if needed around the light poles and what-not, and maybe creep a little closer to the wall.  The general layout remains the same and still very possible.

Maybe a semi-fixed course (like JohnB has mentioned) and devising a fixed maneuver(s) parallel to the wall may work.

I think it will work, would you like for me to mock up some ideas for a better idea?  Where would the entry/egress be?

[MikeM3Allen]

Sure....and if the BoD signs off, perhaps a trial run for the participates of the Tech Party.  Let me know if I can of assistance.

[Driftking]

So is windsor park mall going to let us rent the lot? if so I will stop looking for others...

[red84vette]

Kewl.  I have been itchin' to lay dem cones on de paper -- I'll get it done later this week.

[MikeM3Allen]

Driftking,

  We are always looking for new sites and the BoD or the club has authorized the use of Windsor Park Mall.  We are just looking into using the lot.  There will be an announcement when all of this is authorized.

[Driftking]

Oh ok Ill keep my Ear to the ground then and keep looking  Good luck on windsor park

[red84vette]

Ok, here's a sample layout utilizing 2 "laps" around the course.

I didn't know where entry and exit are located, so I made them up.

Each sector, the "upper and lower" halves are about 110- 115' from the center of the light standard to the edge of "allowable" pavement --
keeping cars segrated will fulfill the 75-150' minimum distance.

The final stretch is yes, closer than 75 feet. BUT, never, ever will two cars (on track and not DNF'ed) be in the upper quadrant at the same time.  
The moral is we can reuse pavement, as long as we maintain a safe distance between cars on course.

The start sequence:
car 1 leaves
when car 1 makes the far turn launch car 2
when car 1 makes the far turn (again) launch car 3
when car 2 makes the far turn (again) launch car 4
et cetera, et cetera

This is a 45-second or so run, and three runs per heat (given the longer distance) would make for a good event.

Let me work on it, and I can improve this a lot.

Large image deleted - MikeW

[MikeM3Allen]

Actually your placement of the start and finish would work out perfectly. Looks a little on the tight side but I understand there isn't much to work with on this lot.  I say tweak it some more and let's present to the club and use as a course for a small January Event.

Phil, how much lead time do you need to get a Certificate of Insurance to pass to the owner of this lot?  Does the insurance company need a layout or do they allow us to use our best judgement for lot selection?

[crazee240sx]

I like the layout, and I think that the design is quite nice, although a little simple, sometimes thats what makes a course a little more fun to drive.
I believe the turn from the end of lap one, onto the second lap (of the beginning of the course) is going to have to be arranged a little diffrent
I think that it might set up for too fast of a turn up against that wall. Just a suggestion, but perhaps Im seeing it wrong... Thoughts?

[red84vette]

OK, here's a map to scale that I've pared down to fit in this window.

The dimensions, car width and gate width and notations are all accurate.

The cones on this map are 5x5' and about seven feet tall.

Should be easy to follow


Perspective of the start



First Series of maneuvers

I hope everyone sees it's a freakin SLALOM

The course split


The inside loop


The lead back into the first section


One more time through, a quick left hander and a standard 60-foot slalom to end the course -- 130-foot straight and a 200-foot shutdown area.  Except for the slalom gates, other gate widths a 30-40 feet.

It should be plenty fast, but with the added circuits, a little longer.

[Driftking]

When Is this Event gonna go on at windsor park?  If you would like you could just email when it comes around to deciding at gnarkilleptic@yahoo.com